[NetBehaviour] ello ello, what av we here then, an exclusive club for the digerati ?

[Roger Mills]

anyone uncomfortable about the exclusivity that ello seems to be propagating ?

who has been invited ? why people haven't ? who you need to be, or what you need to have done to get an invitation ?

exhibitions in all the right places with all the right people ?

isn't the basic premise of invitation only deeply flawed ?

i know the arts thrive on this sort of thing but do we really need more ?

who does the vetting ? and who vets the vetters ?

just sayin?.


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[mez breeze]

Hi Roger,

I didn't respond to your truncated version of this on my Facebook post
about Ello, as I hope what you're suggesting doesn't apply to me. When I
received my Ello invite and joined, I *straight away* put a general callout
via 3 separate avenues for people who wanted an invite. There was no
artistic nepotism involved: I saved one invite for a friend, and all the
others went directly to people who responded.

Regards,
Mez

-
https://ello.co/mezbreeze
-

Post by Roger Mills
anyone uncomfortable about the exclusivity that ello seems to be propagating ?
who has been invited ? why people haven't ? who you need to be, or what
you need to have done to get an invitation ?
exhibitions in all the right places with all the right people ?
isn't the basic premise of invitation only deeply flawed ?
i know the arts thrive on this sort of thing but do we really need more ?
who does the vetting ? and who vets the vetters ?
just sayin?.
--
Roger Mills
http://www.eartrumpet.org
http://roger.netpraxis.net
"Knowledge is only rumour until it is in the muscle" - Asaro Mudmen, Papua New Guinea.
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[BishopZ]

consider it like a bridge...

a leap to yet another already dissipating plateau

Post by Roger Mills
anyone uncomfortable about the exclusivity that ello seems to be propagating ?
who has been invited ? why people haven't ? who you need to be, or what you
need to have done to get an invitation ?
exhibitions in all the right places with all the right people ?
isn't the basic premise of invitation only deeply flawed ?
i know the arts thrive on this sort of thing but do we really need more ?
who does the vetting ? and who vets the vetters ?
just sayin?.
--
Roger Mills
http://www.eartrumpet.org
http://roger.netpraxis.net
"Knowledge is only rumour until it is in the muscle" - Asaro Mudmen, Papua New Guinea.
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[Annie Abrahams]

I was there for one day
I left already
feeling betrayed because it turned out to be capital ventured and wasn't as
"free" as it announced

https://vimeo.com/106681730

Renee Turner wrote an interesting post about the ambiguity
http://www.fudgethefacts.com/?p=829

Personnaly I find it harder to not be able to trust people who act as if
they want the same thing as you want, than to know I am exploited. There is
also this https://aralbalkan.com/notes/ello-goodbye/

Post by BishopZ
consider it like a bridge...
a leap to yet another already dissipating plateau

Post by Roger Mills
anyone uncomfortable about the exclusivity that ello seems to be

propagating

Post by Roger Mills
?
who has been invited ? why people haven't ? who you need to be, or what

you

Post by Roger Mills
need to have done to get an invitation ?
exhibitions in all the right places with all the right people ?
isn't the basic premise of invitation only deeply flawed ?
i know the arts thrive on this sort of thing but do we really need more ?
who does the vetting ? and who vets the vetters ?
just sayin?.
--
Roger Mills
http://www.eartrumpet.org
http://roger.netpraxis.net
"Knowledge is only rumour until it is in the muscle" - Asaro Mudmen,

Papua

Post by Roger Mills
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and as a *free* .pdf copy
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[dave miller]

This is the first I've heard of it, what is it?

Post by Annie Abrahams
I was there for one day
I left already
feeling betrayed because it turned out to be capital ventured and wasn't
as "free" as it announced
https://vimeo.com/106681730
Renee Turner wrote an interesting post about the ambiguity
http://www.fudgethefacts.com/?p=829
Personnaly I find it harder to not be able to trust people who act as if
they want the same thing as you want, than to know I am exploited. There is
also this https://aralbalkan.com/notes/ello-goodbye/

Post by BishopZ
consider it like a bridge...
a leap to yet another already dissipating plateau

Post by Roger Mills
anyone uncomfortable about the exclusivity that ello seems to be

propagating

Post by Roger Mills
?
who has been invited ? why people haven't ? who you need to be, or what

you

Post by Roger Mills
need to have done to get an invitation ?
exhibitions in all the right places with all the right people ?
isn't the basic premise of invitation only deeply flawed ?
i know the arts thrive on this sort of thing but do we really need more

?

Post by Roger Mills
who does the vetting ? and who vets the vetters ?
just sayin?.
--
Roger Mills
http://www.eartrumpet.org
http://roger.netpraxis.net
"Knowledge is only rumour until it is in the muscle" - Asaro Mudmen,

Papua

Post by Roger Mills
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and as a *free* .pdf copy
http://www.cona.si/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/from_estranger_to_e_stranger.pdf
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[Rob Myers]

Post by dave miller
This is the first I've heard of it, what is it?

The beneficiary of the latest Facebook backlash over Real Names.
They've managed to position themselves, without irony, as
LGBTQ-friendly. Despite being another proprietary, VC-funded social
network.

Try GNU social instead:

http://gnu.io/social/try/

- - Rob.

[Antye Greie-Ripatti]

Annie, thanks for the link!!!

Renee Turner wrote an interesting post about the ambiguity http://www.fudgethefacts.com/?p=829

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[Alan Sondheim]

I didn't have an invite and tried to join, almost a week ago, and just
received an announcement that it was pending etc. and would be processed
later and that was the end of it. So yes it feels exclusionary to me,
whatever else it is. The idea of venture capital - given ISIS and
extinctions around the world etc. etc. also sickens me a bit but I would
have joined - Facebook sickens me as well.

- Alan

Post by Annie Abrahams
I was there for one day
I left already
feeling betrayed because it turned out to be capital ventured and wasn't as
"free" as it announced
https://vimeo.com/106681730
Renee Turner?wrote an interesting post about the ambiguity
http://www.fudgethefacts.com/?p=829
Personnaly I find it harder to not be able to trust people who act as if
they want the same thing as you want, than to know I am exploited. There is
also this https://aralbalkan.com/notes/ello-goodbye/
consider it like a bridge...
a leap to yet another already dissipating plateau
On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 10:33 PM, Roger Mills

Post by Roger Mills
anyone uncomfortable about the exclusivity that ello seems to

be propagating

Post by Roger Mills
?
who has been invited ? why people haven't ? who you need to

be, or what you

Post by Roger Mills
need to have done to get an invitation ?
exhibitions in all the right places with all the right people

?

Post by Roger Mills
isn't the basic premise of invitation only deeply flawed ?
i know the arts thrive on this sort of thing but do we really

need more ?

Post by Roger Mills
who does the vetting ? and who vets the vetters ?
just sayin?.
--
Roger Mills
http://www.eartrumpet.org
http://roger.netpraxis.net
"Knowledge is only rumour until it is in the muscle" - Asaro

Mudmen, Papua

Post by Roger Mills
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The book, 98 pages, is available in print on demand (soft cover)http://www.lulu.com/shop/annie-abrahams/from-estranger-to-e-stranger/paperb
ack/product-21808647.html
and as a free .pdf copyhttp://www.cona.si/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/from_estranger_to_e_stranger.
pdf or?http://www.lulu.com/shop/annie-abrahams/from-estranger-to-e-stranger/ebook/
product-21808727.html

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[ruth catlow]

Thanks for the links Annie.
Aral Balkan is talking about this at Cybersalon on Thursday. I'll let
you know what happens.

It does strike me as odd that it still suffices for a company to say
that it's going to do good - no need to say how they will achieve their
ends.

?
R

Post by Annie Abrahams
I was there for one day
I left already
feeling betrayed because it turned out to be capital ventured and
wasn't as "free" as it announced
https://vimeo.com/106681730
Renee Turner wrote an interesting post about the ambiguity
http://www.fudgethefacts.com/?p=829
Personnaly I find it harder to not be able to trust people who act as
if they want the same thing as you want, than to know I am exploited.
There is also this https://aralbalkan.com/notes/ello-goodbye/
On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 8:02 AM, BishopZ <xchicago at gmail.com
consider it like a bridge...
a leap to yet another already dissipating plateau
On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 10:33 PM, Roger Mills

Post by Roger Mills
anyone uncomfortable about the exclusivity that ello seems to be

propagating

Post by Roger Mills
?
who has been invited ? why people haven't ? who you need to be,

or what you

Post by Roger Mills
need to have done to get an invitation ?
exhibitions in all the right places with all the right people ?
isn't the basic premise of invitation only deeply flawed ?
i know the arts thrive on this sort of thing but do we really

need more ?

Post by Roger Mills
who does the vetting ? and who vets the vetters ?
just sayin?.
--
Roger Mills
http://www.eartrumpet.org
http://roger.netpraxis.net
"Knowledge is only rumour until it is in the muscle" - Asaro

Mudmen, Papua

Post by Roger Mills
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The book, 98 pages, is available in *print on demand* (soft cover)
http://www.lulu.com/shop/annie-abrahams/from-estranger-to-e-stranger/paperback/product-21808647.html
and as a *free* .pdf copy
http://www.cona.si/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/from_estranger_to_e_stranger.pdf
or
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[Rob Myers]

Post by ruth catlow
It does strike me as odd that it still suffices for a company to
say that it's going to do good - no need to say how they will
achieve their ends.

A proprietary social network vendor listens to a user's concerns -

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[Joel Weishaus]

Annie;

Thanks for the link.

For-profit, now even not-for-profit, companies all begin by sounding
like they are humanitarians, but as they become profitable their will to
power, knows no limit, and unfortunately there is no limit imposed on them.
"Too big to fail,"//means that in Wall Street's reading of the myth,
Goliath slaughters and eats David.

-Joel

Post by Annie Abrahams
I was there for one day
I left already
feeling betrayed because it turned out to be capital ventured and
wasn't as "free" as it announced
https://vimeo.com/106681730
Renee Turner wrote an interesting post about the ambiguity
http://www.fudgethefacts.com/?p=829
Personnaly I find it harder to not be able to trust people who act as
if they want the same thing as you want, than to know I am exploited.
There is also this https://aralbalkan.com/notes/ello-goodbye/
On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 8:02 AM, BishopZ <xchicago at gmail.com
consider it like a bridge...
a leap to yet another already dissipating plateau
On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 10:33 PM, Roger Mills

Post by Roger Mills
anyone uncomfortable about the exclusivity that ello seems to be

propagating

Post by Roger Mills
?
who has been invited ? why people haven't ? who you need to be,

or what you

Post by Roger Mills
need to have done to get an invitation ?
exhibitions in all the right places with all the right people ?
isn't the basic premise of invitation only deeply flawed ?
i know the arts thrive on this sort of thing but do we really

need more ?

Post by Roger Mills
who does the vetting ? and who vets the vetters ?
just sayin....
--
Roger Mills
http://www.eartrumpet.org
http://roger.netpraxis.net
"Knowledge is only rumour until it is in the muscle" - Asaro

Mudmen, Papua

Post by Roger Mills
New Guinea.

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[ahanon]

Post by Joel Weishaus
Annie;

Hiyas,

Interesting links, Rob, Annie, Geert, Joel.. (eg the bible myth link.. ;) )

Am going to throw another: http://twister.net.co/ (keep meaning to check
out, though am a tad suspicious of sequences that includde stuff like:
"Bitcoin Copyright (c) 2009-2013 Bitcoin Developers libtorrent Copyright
(c) 2003 - 2007, Arvid Norberg twister Copyright (c)" - taken from:
https://github.com/miguelfreitas/twister-core )

Another, more fb oriented kind of platform is http://friendica.com/

Hope to get some time soon to check the gnu social.. It looks interesting
indeed. Not sure why, or how come there aren't more people using it...

Anyhow.. Perhaps its interesting that this thread indicates people would
rather fancy having a social social network - rather than privatised
digital socialsperes kind of "social" network... Perhaps the ello people
used a capitalistic logic that attempts to, err, capitalise on that very
fancy?

The other bit of "Interesting" in my mind, seems to be linked the need for
a social network to have a bunch of people doing networking. We clearly
have that - however, it seems like there is a certain dynamic of
sequences, and/or aesthetics, that keeps people crowding in facebook..
(idk.. am out of there, come join me at elsewe.re - where no one's non
data is a living social ghost..? ;) )

Cheers and many late september 2014 ciaos!

aharonon3
xxx

Post by Joel Weishaus
Thanks for the link.
For-profit, now even not-for-profit, companies all begin by sounding
like they are humanitarians, but as they become profitable their will to
power, knows no limit, and unfortunately there is no limit imposed on them.
"Too big to fail,"//means that in Wall Street's reading of the myth,
Goliath slaughters and eats David.
-Joel

Post by Annie Abrahams
I was there for one day
I left already
feeling betrayed because it turned out to be capital ventured and
wasn't as "free" as it announced
https://vimeo.com/106681730
Renee Turner wrote an interesting post about the ambiguity
http://www.fudgethefacts.com/?p=829
Personnaly I find it harder to not be able to trust people who act as
if they want the same thing as you want, than to know I am exploited.
There is also this https://aralbalkan.com/notes/ello-goodbye/
On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 8:02 AM, BishopZ <xchicago at gmail.com
consider it like a bridge...
a leap to yet another already dissipating plateau
On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 10:33 PM, Roger Mills

Post by Roger Mills
anyone uncomfortable about the exclusivity that ello seems to be

propagating

Post by Roger Mills
?
who has been invited ? why people haven't ? who you need to be,

or what you

Post by Roger Mills
need to have done to get an invitation ?
exhibitions in all the right places with all the right people ?
isn't the basic premise of invitation only deeply flawed ?
i know the arts thrive on this sort of thing but do we really

need more ?

Post by Roger Mills
who does the vetting ? and who vets the vetters ?
just sayin....
--
Roger Mills
http://www.eartrumpet.org
http://roger.netpraxis.net
"Knowledge is only rumour until it is in the muscle" - Asaro

Mudmen, Papua

Post by Roger Mills
New Guinea.

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[dave miller]

I left facebook about a year ago and don't miss it, though I feel isolated.
Many things seem to require fb and I dont see them or get to hear about
things. I'm going to look at the fb alternatives mentioned here.
Dave

Post by ahanon

Post by Joel Weishaus
Annie;

Hiyas,
Interesting links, Rob, Annie, Geert, Joel.. (eg the bible myth link.. ;) )
Am going to throw another: http://twister.net.co/ (keep meaning to check
"Bitcoin Copyright (c) 2009-2013 Bitcoin Developers libtorrent Copyright
https://github.com/miguelfreitas/twister-core )
Another, more fb oriented kind of platform is http://friendica.com/
Hope to get some time soon to check the gnu social.. It looks interesting
indeed. Not sure why, or how come there aren't more people using it...
Anyhow.. Perhaps its interesting that this thread indicates people would
rather fancy having a social social network - rather than privatised
digital socialsperes kind of "social" network... Perhaps the ello people
used a capitalistic logic that attempts to, err, capitalise on that very
fancy?
The other bit of "Interesting" in my mind, seems to be linked the need for
a social network to have a bunch of people doing networking. We clearly
have that - however, it seems like there is a certain dynamic of
sequences, and/or aesthetics, that keeps people crowding in facebook..
(idk.. am out of there, come join me at elsewe.re - where no one's non
data is a living social ghost..? ;) )
Cheers and many late september 2014 ciaos!
aharonon3
xxx

Post by Joel Weishaus
Thanks for the link.
For-profit, now even not-for-profit, companies all begin by sounding
like they are humanitarians, but as they become profitable their will to
power, knows no limit, and unfortunately there is no limit imposed on them.
"Too big to fail,"//means that in Wall Street's reading of the myth,
Goliath slaughters and eats David.
-Joel

Post by Annie Abrahams
I was there for one day
I left already
feeling betrayed because it turned out to be capital ventured and
wasn't as "free" as it announced
https://vimeo.com/106681730
Renee Turner wrote an interesting post about the ambiguity
http://www.fudgethefacts.com/?p=829
Personnaly I find it harder to not be able to trust people who act as
if they want the same thing as you want, than to know I am exploited.
There is also this https://aralbalkan.com/notes/ello-goodbye/
On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 8:02 AM, BishopZ <xchicago at gmail.com
consider it like a bridge...
a leap to yet another already dissipating plateau
On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 10:33 PM, Roger Mills

Post by Roger Mills
anyone uncomfortable about the exclusivity that ello seems to be

propagating

Post by Roger Mills
?
who has been invited ? why people haven't ? who you need to be,

or what you

Post by Roger Mills
need to have done to get an invitation ?
exhibitions in all the right places with all the right people ?
isn't the basic premise of invitation only deeply flawed ?
i know the arts thrive on this sort of thing but do we really

need more ?

Post by Roger Mills
who does the vetting ? and who vets the vetters ?
just sayin....
--
Roger Mills
http://www.eartrumpet.org
http://roger.netpraxis.net
"Knowledge is only rumour until it is in the muscle" - Asaro

Mudmen, Papua

Post by Roger Mills
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[Joel Weishaus]

Feeling isolated is kind of weird when, without Facebook, et al. you
have already more information resources and social contacts than anyone
in the history of the planet.

-Joel

Post by dave miller
I left facebook about a year ago and don't miss it, though I feel
isolated. Many things seem to require fb and I dont see them or get to
hear about things. I'm going to look at the fb alternatives mentioned
here.
Dave

[ahanon]

Post by Joel Weishaus
Feeling isolated is kind of weird when, without Facebook, et al. you
have already more information resources and social contacts than anyone
in the history of the planet.
-Joel

Hi,

Not sure Exactly what Dave means by isolated.

What did you mean?

In my personal experience, fb linked isolation is to do with activities
that people might restrict to fb only. The - "if you want to join us, you
have to be on fb" kind of attitude, can link to a certain isolation...
(..sometimes its a realisation After an activity has began..)

Indeed, some people share related information on fb only, and when asked
to place the data in the open net, the response is "come to fb".. (..in my
case anyway, but maybe i am not very persuasive..)
Perhaps also when people think that if they publicise an event - say an
opening/etc. - on fb, then the information is indeed, err, published.. Is
this a bit like people considering google to be the web?

Cheers!

aharonon
xx

Post by Joel Weishaus

Post by dave miller
I left facebook about a year ago and don't miss it, though I feel
isolated. Many things seem to require fb and I dont see them or get to
hear about things. I'm going to look at the fb alternatives mentioned
here.
Dave

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[Ana Valdés]

I erased my Facebook account several years ago, never missed it. I go never
back to Stumble Upon. I use only Twitter as exchange of interesting links
and books to read and announces to make.
Had 148 ppl at my birthday party when I turned 50. Nobody was a virtual
friend, all were real life friends.
It's enough.
Ana

Post by ahanon

Post by Joel Weishaus
Feeling isolated is kind of weird when, without Facebook, et al. you
have already more information resources and social contacts than anyone
in the history of the planet.
-Joel

Hi,
Not sure Exactly what Dave means by isolated.
What did you mean?
In my personal experience, fb linked isolation is to do with activities
that people might restrict to fb only. The - "if you want to join us, you
have to be on fb" kind of attitude, can link to a certain isolation...
(..sometimes its a realisation After an activity has began..)
Indeed, some people share related information on fb only, and when asked
to place the data in the open net, the response is "come to fb".. (..in my
case anyway, but maybe i am not very persuasive..)
Perhaps also when people think that if they publicise an event - say an
opening/etc. - on fb, then the information is indeed, err, published.. Is
this a bit like people considering google to be the web?
Cheers!
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Post by dave miller
I left facebook about a year ago and don't miss it, though I feel
isolated. Many things seem to require fb and I dont see them or get to
hear about things. I'm going to look at the fb alternatives mentioned
here.
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[dave miller]

Maybe it's the grass is greener thing but I feel like there must be lots
going on over there (i.e. in fb) but on purpose I've cut myself off from
it.

I'm happy about doing that - cutting myself off on principles - because
it's obvious that fb are NSA snoopers - but feel I've excluded myself from
lots of great things.

I hope it's just an illusion, but so many events etc are publicised through
fb and I can't join in now. It's like I don't exist - a bit.

It's like there's a disco going on (this shows my age!) and everyone's in
there having a great time, and I'm standing outside alone with a bottle of
shandy.

dave

Post by ahanon

Post by Joel Weishaus
Feeling isolated is kind of weird when, without Facebook, et al. you
have already more information resources and social contacts than anyone
in the history of the planet.
-Joel

Hi,
Not sure Exactly what Dave means by isolated.
What did you mean?
In my personal experience, fb linked isolation is to do with activities
that people might restrict to fb only. The - "if you want to join us, you
have to be on fb" kind of attitude, can link to a certain isolation...
(..sometimes its a realisation After an activity has began..)
Indeed, some people share related information on fb only, and when asked
to place the data in the open net, the response is "come to fb".. (..in my
case anyway, but maybe i am not very persuasive..)
Perhaps also when people think that if they publicise an event - say an
opening/etc. - on fb, then the information is indeed, err, published.. Is
this a bit like people considering google to be the web?
Cheers!
aharonon
xx

Post by Joel Weishaus

Post by dave miller
I left facebook about a year ago and don't miss it, though I feel
isolated. Many things seem to require fb and I dont see them or get to
hear about things. I'm going to look at the fb alternatives mentioned
here.
Dave

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Post by dave miller
Maybe it's the grass is greener thing but I feel like there must be lots
going on over there (i.e. in fb) but on purpose I've cut myself off from
it.
I'm happy about doing that - cutting myself off on principles - because
it's obvious that fb are NSA snoopers - but feel I've excluded myself from
lots of great things.
I hope it's just an illusion, but so many events etc are publicised through
fb and I can't join in now. It's like I don't exist - a bit.
It's like there's a disco going on (this shows my age!) and everyone's in
there having a great time, and I'm standing outside alone with a bottle of
shandy.

There is a party we are being excluded from. From time to time, people
seem to come out of it for a bit of fresh air and suggest for "outsiders"
to be "reasonable" and join in..

Hi Dave and all,

Yes, in my experience as well - both re fb and twitter - if stuff you do
is not mentioned there, some people treat it as if stuff was not done.

A bit like the days of very limited numbers of media channels, when people
behaved strangely if you didn't watch a certain tv show.. (perhaps tv is
the wrong analogy though because I know some people use fb as an
address-book for people one might fancy keeping in touch with but - can
not meet regularly with.. eg people bumped into while travelling, etc.. A
sort of judicious and very selective fb usage. Within capitalism, it
seems, such a usage is still a contribution for the speculative numerical
value, hence, i think, fb is not fighting such a behaviour..{??})

However, going back to mass social media exclusion, it seems like focusing
on other media within the digital networked frequencies, makes these
usages more ubiquitous. eg, the silence is from social-digital media -
rather than digital as a whole. eg times to collide with bus-stop,
biological chemical, illogical, media frequencies, etc - makes Digital a
sort of "norm"... (..not entirely sure the articulation here is very
clear..)

Cheers!

aharonon
xx

Post by dave miller
dave

Post by Roger Mills

Post by Joel Weishaus
Feeling isolated is kind of weird when, without Facebook, et al. you
have already more information resources and social contacts than

anyone

Post by Joel Weishaus
in the history of the planet.
-Joel

Hi,
Not sure Exactly what Dave means by isolated.
What did you mean?
In my personal experience, fb linked isolation is to do with activities
that people might restrict to fb only. The - "if you want to join us, you
have to be on fb" kind of attitude, can link to a certain isolation...
(..sometimes its a realisation After an activity has began..)
Indeed, some people share related information on fb only, and when asked
to place the data in the open net, the response is "come to fb".. (..in my
case anyway, but maybe i am not very persuasive..)
Perhaps also when people think that if they publicise an event - say an
opening/etc. - on fb, then the information is indeed, err, published.. Is
this a bit like people considering google to be the web?
Cheers!
aharonon
xx

Post by Joel Weishaus

Post by dave miller
I left facebook about a year ago and don't miss it, though I feel
isolated. Many things seem to require fb and I dont see them or get

to

Post by Joel Weishaus

Post by dave miller
hear about things. I'm going to look at the fb alternatives mentioned
here.
Dave

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